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hello there guys and welcome back to
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journey through the unexplained with
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myself russell old and my lovely co-host
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joe downsville thank you for listening
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to them songs just to give you what they
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are
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it is why do you pretend by wild horses
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and
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where am i by far aura
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great songs there and the technology
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hasn’t fouled us
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from a good friend all the way from
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texas and normally i’d say
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honey but he’s just told us halfway
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through the um the songs
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it’s absolutely chucking down with snow
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there and that does throw me a little
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bit when
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you’re talking about texas so um we’ve
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got daryl e
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berry jr on the line with us hey there
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daryl yes i am
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great great to be here thank you thank
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you ever so much for joining us and
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i know we were talking sort of in that
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interval there that technology and like
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think you know people around you you’re
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suffering from sort of outages and
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everything like that and
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but we’ve managed to sort of get through
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that and we’ve hopefully fingers crossed
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we’ll
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we’ll keep that lovely signal all the
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way through sounds already i mean if we
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do get
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disconnected i have my phone ready so
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i’ll just dial in my phone so we should
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be fine
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thank you ever so much well i’m gonna
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throw the um
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the interview over to joe because our
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listeners and as i explained to you last
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night though i sort of get way laid into
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my mind going off so i’ll pass you over
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to interview
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uh the interview to joe and i’ll just
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intervene as and when i feel
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uh i’ve got a question for you is that
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all right awesome sounds good
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hi daryl how are you doing good job all
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right nice one
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i’m good yeah um well it’s a bit warmer
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here than texas and that’s like russ
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said it’s a bit of an unusual
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situation isn’t it i mean it’s about 12
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degrees here and there i suppose it’s
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somewhat near zero
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um yeah just to go straight into it um
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you kindly um sent russ and myself your
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book
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travel far um i’m not sure when did you
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actually write this book
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it was first published in 2015 actually
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started writing it
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um probably in like 2001
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like the very first version but it was
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published in 2015
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and then you just added bits on and
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adjusted stuff as you’ve gone along in
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different editions yeah
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yeah yeah i mean i actually rewrote it
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about two times because i have various
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technological things and
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sometimes i just learned a lot and just
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decided to rewrite it and
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uh i also did i did several research
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studies so
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um in 2000 i believe 12 i did my first
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research study where
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i taught a group of people to have auto
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body experiences to validate the
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techniques and to refine them a bit
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and uh to help what i put into the book
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so just throughout the years various
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things i did to update it
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so when you’ve done that research with
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several um persons did you sort of um
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watch them from outside the room as they
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go into it and study them
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from a physical point of view or do you
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sort of question them after the
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experience
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it was online so i’ve refined that
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through the years as well so the first
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research study was basically through
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email basically i i wrote out the
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sort of progression of techniques and i
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would send it to them
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and they would send me their journal
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entries and i will coach them week by
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week
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the way i do it now is i on my website
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they actually log in and join the forums
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and they put their journals on the
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forums and we actually get together on
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the forums
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on the a medium similar to this of video
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chat
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and i coach them week by week and um so
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it’s basically just coaching and
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providing uh guidance and
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instruction throughout week by week so
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they can better apply themselves to the
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techniques
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and um and that and they in turn provide
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data and
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as they progress and what’s going on and
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i’m able to to further refine the
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techniques as well as
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uh further uh map the process of getting
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out of body so we can be more aware of
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what’s going on
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that’s really interesting and that i
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suppose is the the website for that is
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nextdensity.org is that right that’s
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right next density.org and e
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x t d e n s i t y dot org and it’s uh
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there’s no charge
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and even the book travel far if you go
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to next density or if you know you could
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you could get it from amazon if you like
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but you could also
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download it for free yeah that’s what
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was amazing that we had a little brief
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chat last night didn’t we um
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myself you and russ and i said to you
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then it was amazing that he was
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selling the book for five pounds on
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amazon which is amazing there’s probably
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not many books
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um that you can buy on there for
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anywhere near five pounds so that’s
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amazing for you to do that and
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like you just said you you can purchase
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it for free if you want to but
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you know doing all the research in that
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is it for you know not being rude but is
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it for your benefit
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is it to put out there on this website
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or is it just
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do you sort of um be sponsored by any
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universities or anything like that
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um i would say well i’m not sponsored by
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a university not yet perhaps in the
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future
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but i would definitely say it’s for my
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benefit and for other others benefit
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universal because for one
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when i first started i didn’t really
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when i first first started having
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experiences i didn’t even
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realize it was something unique i
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thought just everybody did it because
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nobody ever talked about it so i thought
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it was just something that everybody did
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and then when i found out that okay
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there’s like books about it and there’s
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like some kind of unique or special
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thing
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and i didn’t know if it was just a few
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people can do it really or if anybody
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can do it
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so that’s why i started teaching people
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and eventually i learned that it’s a
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natural thing anybody can do it
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and my outlook now is i want to actually
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bring it more into a scientific sphere
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because
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um like right now i’m in school for
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physics and one of the one of my
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outlooks is when we talk about like
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quantum physics and
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uh string theory and things like that
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which of course i’m not adept at now but
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i’m just slightly familiar with
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the idea of different dimensions so i i
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i hypothesize or suspect that
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the different dimensions that people
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access um
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in the outer body state relate to
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different dimensions that we may
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uh find finding physics so um and don’t
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you find you’re a bit
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odds with the science world because do
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they accept that there are other
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dimensions did they actually
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discuss this and well i mean at this
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point is discussed at a theoretical
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level and like i said you know
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i’m still at the very basic level of
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physics so i definitely don’t have a
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deep understanding of that aspect of it
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yet but i’m aware that
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on the theoretical perspective is is is
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it’s
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talked about that there may be other
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other dimensions out there
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uh so you know i i suspect that at a
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certain point
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in technological development um we will
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be able to bridge that gap
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and and be able to technologically
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access these dementias and that’s that’s
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one of
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one of the reasons why i want to have
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research studies is
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when you talk about the autobody
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experience i find there’s a deficit
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there’s a deficit
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in in scientific understanding and
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research so
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i think that that that the mainstream
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scientific community is
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is well within their rights and not
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accepted as a valid phenomena because
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it’s not been put to the scientific test
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so um
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that’s one thing that’s good that you’re
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doing you’re sort of interrupted
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so it’s good that you’re doing this
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research and putting it out there on
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your
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next density.org website and
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hopefully that will bring it forward in
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as much that they will start
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you know getting more involved in it
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yeah i mean i think there’s a lot of
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work to do i mean
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one thing i want to do is develop a team
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of people that can do it like
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like speaking about my experiences right
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like one of the one of the
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common tests that are done um like
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there’s a lady dr susan blackmore she
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did several experiments in paranormal
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and she found herself that there’s no
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evidence for it
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but one of the things i found is that
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the research always involves like uh
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observing a third party right but one of
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the experiences i had was
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you know i it was a period of time when
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you know i wasn’t quite sure if it was
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real myself i mean i
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i thought it was real but i was like
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well i didn’t really quite really test
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it and i knew somebody else who can who
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can get out of body a friend of mine
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who can still get out of body a lot
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better than me he’s awesome but
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what i decided to do so at this period
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of time we would talk on the phone
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regularly not not just about
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metaphysical stuff but just about
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anything girls or
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sports or whatever so it was just common
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for us to talk every day so it was an
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hour for us to talk on the phone so what
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i did was
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i went out about it to see him without
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telling him like i didn’t tell him i was
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going to go see him i didn’t tell him
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i was going to do any type of experiment
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and uh
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i decided to do it it’s just where you
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dressed in a robe that’s right that’s
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right i decided to make myself look a
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certain way because i
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i learned throughout the real throughout
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the years you can change your appearance
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and uh and also i’ve read you could
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transfer information so i figured i’ll
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tell them some crazy word and i’ll make
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myself look a different way
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to test the experience so i made myself
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appear in this long white robe
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with a gold band around the center
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around the chest area like a band of
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gold around the chest area
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and i went out of body and saw on this
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this was one of the experiences where i
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wasn’t too fully conscious i think it
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was a period of time when i wasn’t
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practicing so much but i was practicing
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enough to where
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i was confident i can get out if i
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really wanted to so i went out and i had
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the
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sort of hazy experience of meeting them
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and uh the next day we talked on the
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phone as normal i didn’t mention it at
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all i just we just had a normal
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conversation like normal
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in the middle of the conversation he
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threw out hey you know i saw you out of
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body last night
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and he identified hey you was wearing
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this this long shirt with this robe
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around
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with this gold band around the center
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you seem like you were not too clear
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like you were drunk
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he had he he uh uh
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you know volunteered that information to
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me without me mentioning anything about
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the experiment so
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to me that that that supports the
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contention that there’s some kind of
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valid thing going on
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now there’s also experiences where
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like robert monroe he’s a common uh
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explorer
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in these realms and and he had
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experiences where he went out and was
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tested and he was not able to
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to accurately verify things there was
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other experiences where he was able to
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sort of semi-accurately verify things so
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what’s going on there so i do think
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there’s
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more testing that needs to be done but i
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do think that at least that experience
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gives me the
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the the uh standing in my mind to
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to propose that there is something going
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on that makes it a valid experience so
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part of the reason why i want to do
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these research studies is to develop
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not just one or two people but dozens of
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people who can go out and experiment so
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imagine if you had um
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10 people in the uk and 10 people
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in the us and sometimes some scientists
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involved
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and we were able to validate the
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transmission of information
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between each other right that’s that’s
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the type of things that i have in mind
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but again
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it it starts with having people who can
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do it uh so
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like the last year and and you know
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anybody who wanted to go to
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to the site they can see the i put the
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uh the sort of chart i made of the
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um of the data that i got um but last
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year throughout the year 31 people
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joined
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so not not necessarily joining but 31
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people showed interest
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um the first day 18 of those people
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uh didn’t show up so 13 start up the
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first date
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by the end of the 12 week period only
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two people remained
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but what i found interesting was a
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hundred percent of the people who
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finished the whole thing
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had out-of-body experiences so that was
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two people
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and uh 50 50 percent of the people who
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completed sort of half the halfway mark
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had an out-of-body experience so
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four people total had out-of-body
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experiences uh and between those they
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had eight total auto body experiences
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anybody can go in
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and see the chart they’re at the site so
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do you think that um
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people are they are say created at
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different levels
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that they can do it or not do it like
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you said just now that your friend can
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do
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it better than you and these people that
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dropped out an early stage
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are they sort of less able to do it or
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are you you know can
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anyone do it yes in my experience an
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observation is simply a matter of
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effort and willingness to do it so the
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people who dropped out
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and not even everybody dropped out i
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mean a few of them i said look you might
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as well just
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just you know not be here because it was
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just a waste of time they just weren’t
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doing anything anyway
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so lewis the reason why he got so good
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is because he practices like
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crazy i mean i mean he’s crazy so
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there was a period of time when i had
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continuous awareness at least that was
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my experience like i didn’t lose
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awareness i was either
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having a physical state or i was having
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an out-of-body state but i practiced
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during that period of time
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all the time like i practiced and
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practiced um
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and that’s my observation uh like i said
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i taught people even before that
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research study in 2012 i would teach
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people one-on-one
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and i found that the people who apply
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themselves learned to do it and did it
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and the people who didn’t
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didn’t so that’s that’s what i think the
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significance of it
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attitude application so i mean the
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significance of that percentage the two
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people who
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completed it or the or the four people
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who had head out about experiences is
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not that they were special those are
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just the people who applied themselves
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no different than learning the violin or
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playing the piano or running a marathon
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that’s all it is so um like you all were
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saying in the
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in the first part of the show most
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people just you know they just want to
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just go about their regular day it
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doesn’t interest them
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that’s why they don’t succeed so for
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instance the common
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um uh actually what he was listening in
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the first half
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yeah so i mean a common um
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thing i’ve seen the people who who i
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would teach is they would change the
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technique
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to try to make it easier you know that’s
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that’s similar to
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if you’re trying to be a bodybuilder
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right and your trainer says okay here’s
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a
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20 pound rate let’s lift it 20 times and
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then the
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trainer turns their head and you pick up
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a 10 pound weight right
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and then before they turn back around
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you put it down and pick up the 20 again
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you say yep
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i did i lifted the 20 10 pound 10 times
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right what’s going to happen you’re not
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going to develop
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so that’s that’s the kind of things i’ve
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observed people were cutting their
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practices short they were trying to make
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it easy
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they were not practicing at all whereas
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the people
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you just you just fall in yourself
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exactly so this is
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in my experiences so far and again i
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can’t necessarily say i’ve
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i’ve worked with a ton of people like
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like last year was 31 throughout the
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year
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um in 2012 i think he was about
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12 or something like that and i didn’t
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really keep calling of the people that i
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taught on the one-to-one basis but
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um what i have so far my hypothesis is
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that anybody can do it and as a matter
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of fact is a natural part of sleep
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like like um you were mentioning in the
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earlier part the phases we can talk
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about that a bit of
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the alter states i mean there’s a common
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understanding that we have different
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brainwave frequencies of states
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so the beta is where we’re at right now
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the brain is let’s say
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at 12 cycling at 12 to 30 cycles per
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second below that you go to alpha
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that’s what somewhere let’s say 10 to
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13.
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um when you start to getting into theta
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that’s where you start having
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uh ultra state phenomena like uh visual
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imagery or
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or vibrations you wanna let’s say the
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four to seven cycles per second
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and then when you get to delta that’s
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when you’re in deep sleep and that’s
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when you’re starting my experience just
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having the
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data about experience so the so the
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thing about that is
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every day you go through all of those
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states right every time you
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you even just watching a movie you can
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dip into the alpha state right whenever
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you go to school
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that’s right yeah so everybody goes
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through these states every
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every every single day and night so what
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what my finding is that is simply a
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matter of training to the point
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so that you could be conscious while
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you’re going through the experience so
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one example is one of the experiences i
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had
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in one of the periods when i used to
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practice because i went through my
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spurts where i practiced for a while
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then i stopped
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but one of my little practice periods i
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had an autobot experience were
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um i was in this this non-physical realm
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and i saw one of my ex-girlfriends and
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she was with
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with a guy and i and i haven’t spoken to
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her in years at that point we didn’t
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end on bad terms we just you know went
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our separate ways but
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um i still had her number so um but i
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saw her
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and she was she was with this guy and it
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was his other female there and his other
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guy
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with her and i went to go ahead go talk
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to her
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and uh the guy she was with was you know
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every defense was trying to keep me away
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so i think i must be a boyfriend
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and um and he was like very angry at me
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because i was trying to talk to her he
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was jealous so i just flew off and
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did my thing right so like the next day
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i called her up and i said hey i said um
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you know you know she knew my my what i
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was into i said i saw you out of body
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last night and
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and he was with this guy and it was
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other female there’s a guy she said oh
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that’s quite interesting because i have
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a new boyfriend now and
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and uh my best female friend she has a
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boyfriend and all four of us
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we always go everywhere together you
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know i don’t think that’s enough to like
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convince the mainstream side to the
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community but
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i thought that seemed a bit more than
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coincidence that you know after
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you know so many years i happened to see
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her out of body and she was with this
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guy and this girl was there with this
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other guy and they all
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forced together he was jealous and you
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know you know what i’m saying so
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but i see that to say she had no memory
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of the experience
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she had no memory at all um and i’ve of
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course read several
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books about it and other people have
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said they have seen people out of body
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but they have no memory of it
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so my contention is that every single
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night people enter these states
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when i was a kid and i had these
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experiences i used to just go to sleep
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and in the middle of the night i would
17:50
float up and just float out the ceiling
17:52
so i suspect that every single night
17:54
people people have out-of-body
17:56
experiences it’s just
17:58
most people might be just floating near
17:59
their body and sometimes people travel
18:02
around like that like that friend
18:04
but but most people simply don’t
18:05
remember it so
18:07
um do you think the the actual
18:09
experience
18:10
um affects you physically in other words
18:12
um
18:13
you know i’ve i’ve had times when i’ve
18:15
woken up in
18:16
you know quite sweaty and you know
18:20
um quite yeah perspiring quite a lot
18:23
do you think the actual experience you
18:25
go for say you went on an out-of-body
18:27
experience and you went off and sort of
18:30
um i know one of your experiences you
18:32
had this sword that you created and you
18:34
could
18:34
you could slightly slay beings and stuff
18:38
does it actually make you perspire does
18:40
it have an effect on your physical
18:42
body or do you think it’s completely
18:43
detached from it
18:45
well i i think there’s effect and effect
18:47
in the sense that
18:48
um you know when you when you look into
18:52
science they basically break it into
18:54
uh two different camps like there’s
18:56
basically dualism that says that the
18:58
the mind is separate from the body and
19:00
then it is this sort of reductionist
19:02
view that sees the brain as
19:05
basically the fountain of consciousness
19:07
and everything right
19:09
even if so from the perspective of
19:11
dualism of course we’re talking about
19:12
the autobody experience
19:14
in order for us to to remember that
19:16
experience even
19:17
there needs to be some kind of
19:19
communication or transfer
19:20
of information between uh the mind or
19:24
the consciousness or whatever you want
19:25
to determine in the physical self
19:27
so i would i would say that you know
19:31
from my experience or my hypothesis
19:33
would be that
19:34
what happens in the body is always an
19:36
effect of what happens at the mind level
19:39
um and there will be some communication
19:41
between them
19:42
one something that comes to mind is an
19:44
experience that happened with
19:46
an explorer named robert robert bruce
19:48
basically he was
19:50
had an body experience and he was very
19:52
close to his physical body
19:54
and he found that there was a sort of
19:56
feedback loop between them
19:57
um we sort of come to a different
19:59
conclusion of what was going on there
20:01
right but um the point is that there was
20:04
a there was
20:04
there was some interplay or
20:06
extinguishing information that was going
20:07
on there
20:08
that had an effect on on the physical
20:10
body perspective so
20:12
um i think that’s the reason which
20:14
suggests i was what i just said is right
20:15
then
20:16
that it does have an effect on the
20:17
physical body i would say so
20:19
simple simply because um if you if you
20:22
go
20:23
deeply into it like my experience you
20:25
know
20:26
my experience is that we have
20:28
consciousness
20:29
sort of a field of energy we have a
20:31
non-physical body and we have a physical
20:33
body
20:34
and different different schools of
20:37
thought you can go into like there’s a
20:38
lady named barbara brennan
20:40
who uh developed her ability to sort of
20:42
be very sensitive to these non-physical
20:44
realms and she
20:46
she lists like five or six different
20:48
non-physical bodies but the idea is that
20:50
um there’s a sort of uh interplay
20:54
or interconnectedness between these
20:56
bodies so that what happens on a
20:58
non-physical level
20:59
sort of mirrors itself eventually to the
21:02
physical
21:02
and what happens on the physical level
21:05
even the other way can mirror itself to
21:06
the non-physical
21:07
um so that’s that’s that’s you know i
21:10
can’t necessarily say i have a
21:11
scientific basis for that yet but that
21:12
would be my hypothesis based upon my
21:14
experience
21:15
because for instance um people have have
21:17
applied
21:18
uh energetic type healings and and
21:20
healed themselves
21:22
um of things uh people have also
21:25
like francis barbara brennan she had
21:28
cases where people had
21:30
um um elements that they didn’t
21:33
necessarily have
21:34
physical um reasons for and she would
21:38
let’s say exam examine them from the
21:41
non-physical
21:41
perspective and find damage there and
21:44
heal it and make their physical
21:46
uh experience or discomfort go away
21:49
um so that will lead me to say that
21:50
there’s a sort of interplay between the
21:52
dimensions
21:53
and uh what happens on what level will
21:55
influence the other
21:57
just going back to um when you mentioned
21:59
about meeting your friend and you
22:01
um deliberately dressed yourself
22:03
differently so that he would
22:05
mention it you know and he and he did
22:08
thankfully
22:10
one of the experiences you had was um
22:12
big ben i found that quite interesting
22:14
because
22:15
when you got when you projected yourself
22:18
um you chose one day to go to see big
22:21
ben didn’t you
22:22
that’s right um i’ll let you tell the
22:23
story but i just basically you went to
22:25
see big ben
22:26
and you was there naked the biggest
22:29
question for me on that one
22:31
is when you actually went to stand in
22:33
front of big ben did do you think you
22:35
actually went
22:36
to the physical big bang okay or
22:40
you do certainly yes i do so so the full
22:43
experience for the listeners what
22:44
happened is
22:45
when i was a kid this was back when i
22:47
thought everybody had the experience and
22:49
i didn’t really think it was a big deal
22:50
okay at night you just go flying around
22:52
or running around the neighborhood or
22:53
something
22:54
and um what happened is in my elementary
22:58
school class the teacher were
22:59
i guess he was going over history or
23:01
something and she was telling us about
23:03
this clock big ben
23:04
overseas right so i thought when like
23:06
when i when i
23:08
went to sleep that night because it was
23:09
just so much fun flying around as a kid
23:11
i would go to bed early just so i could
23:12
just fly around all night
23:14
and um but just the first time i thought
23:16
hey i wonder if i can actually
23:17
like go somewhere that i want to go so i
23:20
thought okay i’ll go to big ben
23:22
so that night i i focused on going to
23:24
big bend and sure enough
23:26
that night i i manifested in front of a
23:29
big ben
23:29
um and there were people walking around
23:31
because at the time i didn’t
23:33
i didn’t really understand that it could
23:34
be daytime there you know because it was
23:36
like
23:37
farther enough from me on the planet
23:38
that it was it might have still been
23:40
night time for me but it was like
23:41
morning or daytime there
23:43
and uh and i was sort of shocked by the
23:45
fact that i was naked and eventually i
23:46
got i got i got pulled back to my body
23:49
but my experience at the time was i was
23:51
at the physical big bend i was there now
23:54
now when i say that i say that sort of
23:57
um with some leeway in a sense because
24:00
there’s there’s some debate about
24:02
whether you actually go to the physical
24:04
location or whether you go to a
24:05
non-physical representation of a
24:07
physical
24:07
that’s what i understand that yeah
24:09
because like for instance robin monroe
24:11
that we spoke about earlier
24:12
he had an experience where one of his uh
24:15
psychotic friends or
24:16
doctor friends he was aware of what he
24:18
was was doing and
24:19
he decided to go out and visit him they
24:21
were like doing an experiment
24:23
and uh when robert roberto went there he
24:26
he
24:26
noticed them at their table playing
24:29
cards they were playing cards at their
24:31
table at the dinner table
24:32
which you thought was strange and the
24:34
cards were huge they were like these
24:36
oversized cards
24:37
he was like why are they dealing these
24:39
crazy cards right
24:41
and um and and the the father of the
24:44
house
24:45
brought this just like generator like to
24:48
the car and like just brought this
24:49
generator to the car he was like
24:51
i thought that was strange and uh when
24:53
he went back in body and he asked him
24:55
hey
24:55
what were you all doing that day and um
24:59
what they were doing was
25:00
they got the mail and they went out and
25:02
got the mail
25:03
and then and they went to the table i
25:05
guess it was like their normal ritual to
25:06
pass out the mail to each other so the
25:08
the cards he saw were were the mail
25:11
envelopes exactly yeah right and and the
25:14
generator he saw
25:15
was some kind of uh equipment that the
25:18
guy had i can’t remember what he did it
25:19
was a
25:20
engineer or doctor or whatever but he
25:22
had some kind of equipment that he used
25:24
in his
25:24
his his profession that he was trans
25:27
trans admitting to the car i’m sure this
25:29
is a horrible recounting but you go go
25:31
read his journeys out of body to
25:33
to really totally understand the account
25:35
so basically he
25:37
he thought that those playing cards but
25:38
that there was hand out them out he just
25:40
misinterpreted misinterpreted it that’s
25:42
right well
25:42
i mean you can say that he
25:44
misinterpreted it that there was some
25:46
kind of
25:47
uh sort of uh interference in his
25:50
perception
25:50
and he was at the physical location or
25:52
you can see that he was at a sort of
25:54
non-physical representation
25:56
of the location that that sort of
25:58
closely matched it and
25:59
and that’s why it was sort of not
26:01
exactly accurate but
26:03
i think this is some of the things that
26:04
that we need to test i think
26:06
it’s like when you when you say when you
26:07
said big ben and you said use
26:09
is it because you actually um perceived
26:13
yourself as naked because you perceived
26:14
yourself
26:15
as wearing a robe to meet your friend on
26:17
the other occasion
26:19
well if i was to hypothesize right now
26:21
because i can’t
26:22
say i did a lot of testing to find out
26:24
why we sometimes naked sound sometimes
26:26
we’re not right
26:27
i would just say it’s because i didn’t
26:28
intend any any you need to look a
26:31
certain way so that’s just the way i
26:32
appeared
26:33
normally on only a few times that i
26:35
actually intend myself to look a certain
26:37
way normally i don’t even pay attention
26:38
to how i look
26:39
um but it just so happened that i was
26:41
standing there and i’m seeing all these
26:42
people around
26:44
and uh and maybe i was thinking what did
26:46
i go to bed and you know
26:48
am i am i wearing what i went to bed and
26:50
i looked down and i found out was naked
26:52
right and that made you snap back that’s
26:54
right that’s right
26:55
something something that i i found
26:57
happened a few times
26:59
um when you know some people might call
27:01
it a repercussion i called it fail-safe
27:03
like whenever something scared me to the
27:05
point that i was just scared out of my
27:07
wits
27:07
um i would just feel myself get pulled
27:10
back and just sort of slam back into my
27:12
my body sometimes it would even have a
27:15
you were talking about the physical
27:16
effect i would literally physically
27:18
jostle uh when i slam back in
27:21
so um so thank you master do you want to
27:24
ask a question russ sorry
27:25
yeah we’ve just had a message come in
27:27
for daryl um from one of our listeners
27:30
um she’s put when my mum was in hospital
27:34
i couldn’t visit due to covered
27:36
restrictions
27:37
i would feel that i was sitting next to
27:39
her holding her hand
27:41
it felt very real was i astro
27:44
project was i asked astral projection
27:47
i’m convinced i was actually there with
27:49
us sitting in the chair
27:50
next to her bed i saw all the equipments
27:53
touching her hand that’s from asandra
27:55
it’s definitely possible i mean it would
27:57
be hard for me right now to see whether
27:59
it was
28:00
a valid experience or not because i mean
28:03
in my experience we can have out of body
28:04
experiences and go to places and we all
28:06
know that we can dream
28:08
and have dreams of places um so what i
28:11
would what i would suggest
28:12
as a sort of measuring rod is to test it
28:16
and that’s that’s that’s one of the
28:18
reasons why our friends has did that
28:19
experience with lewis because if i
28:21
there’s things that we can’t test like
28:23
if i go out of if i go out of body and
28:25
and go to the
28:26
moon of jupiter we can’t necessarily
28:28
take a spaceship there and
28:30
and and verify that what i saw is
28:32
accurate
28:33
but if i go out of body and i have a
28:35
meeting meeting with a friend and i and
28:37
i confirm at least to my satisfaction
28:39
that we had a transfer of information
28:41
and that was a valid experience
28:43
and then i have another experience where
28:44
i go to the moon of jupiter and
28:46
and the the quality of these experiences
28:48
are the same
28:49
then i will that to me will then create
28:51
us that experience so
28:53
i would say um just make a good journal
28:57
of that experience
28:58
and as much detail as you can right and
29:01
then practice
29:02
and have an out-of-body experience that
29:04
you consciously have and then as you
29:06
start to
29:06
build more evidence and experience
29:09
you’ll be able to look back and say
29:10
wow i’m confident that was a not about
29:12
experience because now i had this
29:14
experience
29:14
and i had this experience and i had this
29:16
experience when i went and saw
29:18
my friend and and and she didn’t even
29:22
she went to the grocery store
29:23
unexpectedly and
29:24
and i was able to confirm that you see
29:26
i’m saying so yes i think it’s just a
29:28
matter of testing and i think
29:30
and i think it’s necessary to start to
29:31
look at it from this level not looking
29:33
at it from
29:34
sort of guessing or or or sort of
29:37
quarterbacking it from afar but
29:39
okay i have this experience let me do
29:40
more tests so i can compare
29:42
and contrast and start to to ascertain
29:46
what the qualities of a valid experience
29:48
are and sort of
29:49
uh hone in on what is a valid experience
29:51
so we can start to categorize it more
29:53
more clearly
29:55
it’s difficult to validate a lot of
29:56
things and try and prove
29:58
prove is the magic word with evidence i
30:01
mean
30:02
it’s probably difficult to find evidence
30:04
in this sort of field anyway isn’t it
30:06
because
30:06
you can you can do experiments like you
30:09
suggested earlier doing like 10 uk
30:11
citizens 10 american citizens and
30:13
agreeing to go somewhere and then
30:15
the whole study being independently
30:19
adjudicated i suppose that’s um
30:22
but there’d always be someone out there
30:24
that will sort of um
30:25
find a way to sort of discredit it or
30:28
it’s a bit like
30:29
in the ufology um stuff that we get
30:33
involved with myself russ and
30:34
some of that we had a guest on damian
30:36
not from australia who’s
30:38
who gets lots of photographs and video
30:41
evidence of ufos but even with the
30:43
effort of the ufo
30:45
evidence that damien catches and he’s
30:47
been doing it for many years
30:49
it’s still not sort of accepted and at
30:51
what point do people accept it i don’t
30:53
think
30:54
really they ever will totally i think at
30:57
a certain point
30:59
we will develop the technology to be
31:01
able to detect
31:02
uh these vibrations uh so there was a
31:05
period of time when
31:06
when we thought atoms was a was a solid
31:09
thing i mean that was the idea
31:11
and then eventually we learned that
31:12
atoms are protons electrons and neutrons
31:14
and then we was able to learn that even
31:16
those can be broken up into smaller and
31:18
smaller things
31:19
so i believe we’re heading in that
31:20
direction i think there will be a
31:22
certain period of time when
31:23
we will be able to detect these
31:26
dimensions technologically
31:28
and and be able to objectively verify it
31:30
in the way that science normally
31:31
verifies things today
31:33
um but at this point i think the next
31:36
best thing is
31:37
is is sort of subjective experiences but
31:39
i think
31:40
what i believe the flaw is in the
31:42
methodology is that we’re basing it on
31:44
third party and the fact is so many
31:47
people lie
31:48
i mean and i look at that i looked into
31:50
this book where this guy was
31:52
investigating psychics and and you know
31:55
people that was supposed to manifest
31:57
things and and
31:58
they they can never reproduce it under
32:01
controlled conditions but then when you
32:02
turn the wave for instance then
32:04
he manifests something and they could
32:05
have pulled it out the shawl of their
32:07
clothes or whatever so what i what i
32:10
think
32:10
needs to happen is that the scientist
32:12
needs to be more involved which is why
32:15
i’m starting to work on my degree now so
32:16
i mean if you you know
32:18
when i had that experience myself when
32:21
when when
32:22
when when my friend was able to validate
32:23
the information he told me
32:25
whatever anybody says i don’t see an
32:28
explanation for how he can have that
32:29
information
32:30
i just don’t see it so um you know i
32:33
think we need to be more involved
32:34
directly and
32:36
we need to have more people doing it so
32:38
we can test it so even if even if we can
32:39
test it
32:40
in a third-party fashion we just need
32:42
more people to be able to test it so i
32:44
think it’s possible to
32:45
to develop a sort of consensus now but
32:47
it’s like i said it is a lot harder
32:48
because
32:49
um yeah because you and your friend your
32:52
friends can
32:53
you know your testimony you you both
32:55
know that what happened
32:56
you’re convinced and you know and i
32:59
totally believe you as well but
33:00
i think what it is like you say you need
33:02
to get more and more people doing this
33:04
and when there’s a big consensus of
33:06
people doing this
33:07
there’s no way you can deny it after a
33:08
while is is it’s all about the numbers
33:11
isn’t it
33:12
yeah and and and i believe that
33:14
mainstream science i mean
33:15
i think they’re definitely within their
33:18
their rights to
33:19
to not accept it because i don’t think i
33:21
don’t think the the
33:22
preponderance of evidence is not there
33:24
yet that that doesn’t mean that there
33:26
can’t possibly be
33:27
possibly be evidence enough for it it’s
33:29
just not there yet
33:31
so that’s what we need to work on are
33:33
they open are they open to it though
33:34
that’s the main thing they’ve got to be
33:36
open to it
33:36
i think they do i think i think i i
33:39
think they’re justified to not be open
33:41
the thing that comes to mind a lot
33:43
nowadays is the flat earth people like
33:44
there’s people that actually believe the
33:46
earth is flat
33:47
i was just thinking that and i and i’ve
33:49
talked to you look at that
33:50
yeah so i mean i’ve talked to these
33:52
people that’s one of the i’m interested
33:54
in psychology as well i was interested
33:55
in the psychology behind their thinking
33:57
and
33:57
and and they
33:59
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34:01
they have a sort of pretentious critical
34:05
way of thinking and in the sense that
34:07
any evidence you present of the globe
34:09
they will deny it
34:10
but you could present literally anything
34:12
for a flatter and they will just accept
34:13
it right off the bat
34:14
um so but when you look at the actual
34:17
scientific method
34:18
the the idea is is your responsibility
34:22
to put forth the evidence for the claim
34:24
you’re making and it’s our
34:26
responsibility to do everything we can
34:28
to disprove it
34:29
and if we can’t disprove it then it
34:32
remains not that we necessarily prove it
34:35
in science you can’t necessarily prove
34:36
anything what you can do is
34:38
put forth a hypothesis and put it to
34:42
to the to as much rigorous testing as
34:44
you can conceive of
34:45
and if it’s if it’s survive that testing
34:48
at least to the
34:48
to the extent that it survives then it
34:50
remains
34:52
and after so much testing then it
34:53
becomes a scientific theory so
34:56
i applaud the fact that they don’t don’t
34:58
accept it because so many people lie so
35:00
many people can be mistaken
35:02
um i mean even i could be mistaken right
35:04
so that’s why i want to test it myself
35:06
even further you know so so i think
35:08
there’s a lot more testing to do
35:10
and i think we need to we need to have i
35:11
think we need to have more rigorous
35:14
um um thinking about it even in the
35:16
scientific or paranormal community
35:18
because i
35:18
i’ve i’ve went to for instance psychics
35:20
i remember years ago
35:21
when tribal far first came out and um
35:24
it was it was in the kentucky book fair
35:27
and um
35:28
yeah and and one of the people who at
35:30
the fair we
35:31
we we went to a um
35:35
they took me to a a psychic fur and they
35:38
bought me some psychic readings
35:40
um you know they’ll treat me like a
35:41
treatment or something and um what i
35:44
found was that their readings were
35:45
totally inaccurate
35:48
like you’re reading the reading yeah
35:50
that they gave me and
35:51
it seemed like they were sort of even
35:54
reading from a sort of playbook
35:56
um um so and and
35:59
so and then when i i mentioned the book
36:02
that i talked about where the guy was
36:04
doing
36:04
investigations the people were just
36:06
making up stuff but other people
36:07
believed it
36:08
going back to the flat earth stuff like
36:09
you could look you could look at the
36:10
stuff they put out but just a little bit
36:12
of investigation you can see it’s just
36:13
there’s so much holes in it
36:15
um so james randy he’s a common one he
36:18
runs around debunking people
36:20
so i think that it does not do
36:23
us any benefit or favors
36:26
to not think critically about it and say
36:28
hey we need to put this to the test and
36:30
be more critical of it and and validate
36:32
it
36:33
and the only thing that can possibly
36:35
happen if it’s valid
36:36
is that we gather more information of it
36:39
about it and validated more
36:40
so with that experiment with my friend
36:43
you know it’s possible that
36:45
uh it would have failed and i did have
36:47
that thought
36:48
i i was nervous about it because by that
36:50
point i’ve been doing this for
36:52
at that time like what 10 or 20 years or
36:54
whatever and it was a valid
36:55
thing to me but i thought wow i didn’t
36:57
really test it and i did have that
36:59
was that your first experiment to try
37:01
now you know to try and validate it i
37:03
would say that was my first one to
37:05
really try to
37:06
validate and see if it was real and it
37:07
did have a certain amount of trepidation
37:09
what if this doesn’t really work out
37:10
what if it was
37:11
always hallucinating the whole time
37:12
right so but i think even that’s not
37:14
enough we need to have
37:16
it needs to be repeatable because so at
37:17
this point uh
37:19
uh like we like i discussed with my
37:21
psychology teacher is basically
37:23
uh a case study just basically two
37:25
people uh but it needs to be very
37:27
repeatable
37:28
and um i think we do need to be more
37:30
rigorous and and
37:31
and start to think about these things
37:33
less as paranormal
37:34
uh more but more scientific and and
37:37
that’s the only way because like when we
37:39
talk about
37:40
extra restaurant races when you talk
37:41
about people who have contact or
37:43
or at least claim to have contact with
37:45
et races these races
37:47
are aware of these different dimensions
37:49
and have techno techno technology that
37:51
apparently interfaces with it
37:53
um so if that’s a possibility then
37:56
that means these experiences would be
37:58
able to
37:59
uh uh stand against the most the most
38:01
rigorous scientific testing so i think
38:03
we should put it to the test
38:04
and um and make it happen so you sat
38:07
aside yourself you satisfied your friend
38:09
and now you need to sort of
38:11
go out there and try and push it out
38:13
there the evidence and
38:14
try and validate it to everyone or as
38:16
many as you can well
38:17
i mean in a sense i mean not necessarily
38:20
try to prove it to people
38:21
but let’s actually put it to the test
38:23
and see if if we can get
38:25
evidence to the to the to the to the
38:28
extent
38:29
that warrants mainstream science looking
38:32
at it so i mean
38:33
i’m i’m i’m becoming a mainstream
38:35
science scientist so i can i
38:37
i can say to that extent that is because
38:39
is
38:40
is starting to be looked at by
38:42
mainstream science but it’s definitely
38:43
far from
38:45
uh having that wealth of evidence that’s
38:47
that’s required to
38:48
to be be considered officially valid so
38:51
but that’s all that’s that’s on us to
38:53
to start to put it to the test and think
38:54
more critically about it
38:56
definitely and when you when one of your
38:58
obese was involved in freddy krueger
39:01
from nightmare on elm street um
39:04
obviously that’s a character that’s been
39:06
made up
39:07
so how did that how did that obe go i
39:11
mean
39:12
was it something that you was interested
39:14
he was interested in
39:15
as a horror person and and you sort of
39:18
created a dream to
39:20
to sort of that’s what i mean it’s hard
39:22
to for me
39:23
that you went to big ben because i know
39:25
big ben exists okay it’s in london
39:28
and you traveled there and you stood
39:29
outside there and
39:31
and you saw people um i don’t know what
39:34
sort of interaction then people would
39:35
have experienced whether they would have
39:37
felt anything
39:38
as you be in there you know like a
39:40
spiritual feeling like we get sometimes
39:42
we do a paranormal investigation
39:43
anyway that’s coming off i’m coming off
39:45
what i’m saying here what i’m saying is
39:47
the big ben experience was um an actual
39:50
landmark that exists in london
39:52
and it you know you could you know yours
39:55
the description is that you come out
39:57
your body went to big ben
39:59
but with the freddie krueger how do you
40:01
how do you explain that because
40:03
um and i’m not trying to be skeptical
40:05
i’m just trying to analyze
40:08
the different ops and sort of try and
40:10
get in my brain
40:11
yeah certainly certainly first let me
40:13
say i welcome i welcome the skepticism
40:15
and that could only
40:16
help me to better refine my research
40:18
methods and uh find any flaws in what i
40:20
have so
40:21
any questions are welcome and uh the
40:23
background of that experience is
40:25
i was going through a uh what could be
40:27
considered a sort of masochistic period
40:29
of life where
40:30
i was terrified of the freddie character
40:32
but i always watched the tv show
40:36
yeah so i’ll watch it every time it was
40:38
on but i would go to bed terrified of
40:40
freddie so what happened is
40:41
you know i was still having all the bad
40:43
experiences at this time and this
40:44
freddy would chase me all night like all
40:47
night i’ll be running from freddy
40:49
and um so and answer to your question
40:52
what i concluded later is that there’s
40:55
entities in the non-physical that just
40:57
like us
40:57
to make themselves look a certain way um
41:00
so so in my experience the entities that
41:04
exist on these non-physical realms
41:06
they’re really no different than us so
41:07
going back to my sort of
41:09
uh breakdown of our our makeup we have
41:12
the physical body we have the
41:13
non-physical body and consciousness
41:15
and what we might call the non-physical
41:18
entity is just
41:19
a non-physical body and consciousness or
41:21
just consciousness just like us they
41:22
just don’t have a physical body
41:24
so you can go with it just like you
41:27
chose to wear that robe
41:28
this entity chose to be pretty yeah you
41:31
got it
41:31
explains that explains it a lot for me
41:33
that’s right that’s right so
41:35
just like how you can go to pretty much
41:36
any school in the world today and you
41:38
can find a bully
41:40
that just likes picking on people you
41:41
can have an out-of-body experience and
41:43
you can find a bully that likes picking
41:44
on people
41:45
and they’ll become your worst nightmare
41:46
in chase you’re around
41:48
i mean yeah that explains a lot i know
41:51
when i was asking that question i hated
41:53
it because i was sounding like a skeptic
41:55
and i’m trying to trip you up or
41:56
something like that but i’m not because
41:58
i’m
41:58
totally convinced by all of this i don’t
42:00
need you know i’m totally there but
42:03
i just wanted i couldn’t square the
42:05
circle but once you mention
42:06
the fact that they’re non-physical
42:09
entities that can
42:11
can actually present themselves as
42:12
whatever they want to
42:14
that explains so much yeah yeah
42:17
we just had another question coming guys
42:20
from
42:20
simon he says is it possible
42:23
that i may not be able to find my way
42:26
back
42:27
emma if he was to try it in my
42:29
experience no
42:30
um the the the the only thing or the
42:34
worst thing i found to happen is
42:36
this is the period of time when i was
42:37
practicing a lot and i had an advice
42:39
experience and i did a few things
42:41
and i came back to my body consciously i
42:43
think that period of time
42:44
you know and and this will lead to what
42:46
i’m going to follow up with but i
42:47
decided to come back to my body
42:49
and get in consciously and i couldn’t
42:52
like i tried to jump in
42:53
i laid where i saw my body at and i
42:55
couldn’t get in i just couldn’t get back
42:57
in
42:58
and what i surmised was okay my physical
42:59
body is still in deep sleep
43:01
at the time i don’t think i was really
43:02
aware i like to dealt in all that stuff
43:04
but i thought okay i must still be in
43:05
deep sleep
43:06
so i’ll just wait for it to wake up so i
43:07
just sat next to my body and waited for
43:08
it to wake up
43:09
and then eventually
43:13
but usually what happens is i’m i’m out
43:15
of body doing whatever and i just get
43:17
pulled back in
43:18
so especially when you first start yeah
43:20
that’s a common fear
43:22
but if you actually practice this stuff
43:24
and try to get out of body
43:25
like for instance every single person i
43:27
taught every single one
43:29
without exception their first
43:31
out-of-body experience lasts
43:33
no more than like 10 seconds no more
43:35
than like 10 seconds maybe 20.
43:37
so you have some problems what was their
43:40
experience what was that 10 second
43:41
experience
43:42
well a matter of fact i put them on on
43:44
the next density site
43:45
uh matter of fact i’ll read straight
43:47
from the site but you can anybody who
43:48
wants to you can go to the
43:50
next density site and i put up snippets
43:52
of their experiences
43:54
so for instance uh one of them his entry
43:56
was and this is a quote from his journal
43:59
i could feel strongly the sensation of
44:01
running and then the sensation came
44:04
and very came in very strong and as a
44:06
wave passed through me i felt the pop
44:08
and i was out of body it felt like i was
44:10
floating i feel that i was 100 percent
44:13
out
44:14
that was that was student d ebjndc28
44:17
student number five said i decided to go
44:20
to sleep after the session and i turned
44:22
on my side
44:23
now at this point i guess i was sleeping
44:25
but not too sure
44:27
all of a sudden i’m floating out of my
44:28
body or so i thought i was
44:30
i was in my bedroom it happened without
44:32
any warning
44:33
i shot up with very quickly i didn’t see
44:35
any flashing lights or hear any sound
44:37
it was and she put all caps it was very
44:40
real the only thing i could see was the
44:42
ceiling
44:42
i didn’t look down at the bed it felt
44:44
like my astral body was a small
44:46
ball with just my consciousness in it so
44:48
i’m staring at the ceiling and i can see
44:50
the details of the ceiling
44:52
which has texture to it i actually
44:54
started to panic
44:55
and i felt like i couldn’t breathe i was
44:57
having trouble breathing when that
44:58
happened i started to float downward
45:00
very slowly
45:00
but but a thought came to mind i said
45:02
calm down don’t panic you can control
45:04
this
45:05
as soon as i had this thought i started
45:07
to float back up to the ceiling again
45:09
then everything went black and i think i
45:11
woke up afterwards
45:12
so that’s two examples but you will not
45:15
have to worry about getting back in
45:16
you’ll just be thinking oh my god why
45:17
the last so sharp
45:19
and um and what’s going to happen if you
45:21
you’re going to have to train for
45:23
for weeks or months or even years to get
45:25
to the point to where you can
45:26
start having extended experiences can i
45:29
just talk about the experience i had
45:31
um when i explained to you about karen
45:34
frazier when she
45:34
analyzed my dream one thing i remember
45:38
is that when it went up when i was sort
45:39
of um
45:41
i wasn’t awake but i was sort of
45:42
semi-awake started to explain it
45:45
and i and i sensed that i was above the
45:46
bed
45:48
but at that moment i was panicking i was
45:51
i was panicking and i’m thinking i was
45:54
thinking in my head i’m not ready for
45:55
this
45:56
and i don’t know if if there’s any
45:58
validation to this
46:00
or or you can sort of sort of explain
46:02
what was going on because i don’t know
46:04
i actually heard someone saying don’t
46:06
worry
46:07
let it happen um don’t worry let it
46:11
happen and i said no
46:12
no and this is why i’m still sort of in
46:14
this in this state and i’m saying no i’m
46:17
not ready i can’t do it
46:18
because i had this horrible panicky
46:20
feeling because it was the sort of
46:22
it was something i’ve never experienced
46:23
before and i was awake enough to know
46:26
that it was happening
46:27
and i said no i can’t do it i can’t do
46:30
it and then all of a sudden
46:32
i woke up i don’t know who that was was
46:35
talking to me have you heard of that
46:36
before
46:37
oh definitely i mean it definitely fits
46:39
the profile of an outer body experience
46:41
the floating the voice and um you’ll be
46:44
surprised
46:45
uh the different entities you can find
46:47
so it sounds it could it could be just
46:49
an entity there
46:50
that was trying to help you out so i
46:52
remember one time i was practicing
46:54
one of my practice periods there was
46:55
this female entity that would visit me
46:58
and um she was saying meet me come out
47:00
and meet me and for some reason i was
47:01
having difficulty getting out
47:03
i kept getting stuck like i better get
47:05
my arm out but i couldn’t get the rest
47:06
out i can get my head out i couldn’t get
47:08
the rest out
47:09
and i told her to help me out i mean try
47:10
to help me and she actually went through
47:12
the floor
47:13
and started flying up to the floor
47:15
ramming in my body and trying to
47:16
trying to ram me out that’s in the book
47:20
yeah i remember that
47:21
another one of my my students uh uh
47:24
first autobody experience
47:26
um rolled out a body fell onto the floor
47:28
stood up
47:29
and there was an entity standing at the
47:30
door um
47:32
so it just seems like a common thing
47:34
where there’s entities about um
47:36
another one of my my different practice
47:38
times i used to just float up a bit or
47:41
hit like a deep data state
47:43
and i would hear a lot of voices like
47:44
there was a uh
47:46
similar to what monroe talked about with
47:48
the i believe they called it the inband
47:49
noise
47:51
but it seemed like a lot almost like the
47:53
room was filled with people
47:54
and and there’s other experiences where
47:57
i went and met people and had
47:58
interaction so this is entities um
48:01
so i would i wouldn’t be afraid um my
48:04
experience is if you have an out-of-body
48:05
experience you will you will see
48:07
entities
48:10
i didn’t actually attempt to do it i
48:12
just woke up one morning and that
48:13
happened
48:14
is do do you know why or you know guess
48:17
why
48:18
that happened certainly so you’ll find
48:21
that
48:22
um most people don’t remember dreams or
48:25
anything
48:25
so a lot of people come into the course
48:27
of the other research study and they
48:28
don’t remember dreams
48:30
and then as their training you start to
48:32
remember it but what happens is
48:34
even the average person if you do
48:35
something to
48:38
interrupt your schedule like maybe maybe
48:40
that night you went to sleep late
48:42
or maybe you woke up in the middle of
48:43
sleep and or something changed that
48:45
caused you to remember it
48:46
but my experience is every night we
48:48
always have an auto body experience so i
48:50
would actually look to
48:52
not the strangeness of the auto body
48:54
experience itself happening
48:56
but the strange strangeness of why did i
48:58
remember at this time what was going on
49:00
during that period of time that allowed
49:02
me to remember it so it could have
49:04
so it sounds like it’s just you became
49:05
aware of one of the many experiences you
49:07
you have
49:08
when you go to sleep normally and um and
49:10
because you were conscious of it it was
49:11
so strange
49:12
you had that trepidation about it and
49:15
that entity that was there could be
49:16
there all the time
49:17
you just was never really aware of it so
49:19
it sounds to me just like
49:20
it’s a normal experience that you have
49:22
when you go to sleep that you happen to
49:23
be conscious of
49:24
for whatever was going on in your life
49:26
at that period of time
49:28
do you think that that entity is like a
49:30
spirit guide or they they just
49:32
suddenly decide oh they’re going to come
49:33
and help out i can’t really say
49:35
you probably have to communicate with
49:36
them and find out to
49:38
and try to get some sense of whether
49:40
it’s a valid entity because i mean like
49:42
for instance the
49:43
being that i had that i interacted with
49:44
named volcanoes
49:46
um how could you know he was real right
49:48
but he told me a few things that
49:50
i like i don’t see how i can know that
49:53
so to me he’s real and then being in
49:56
this
49:57
role being it could be a spirit guide my
49:59
experience is we have spirit guides like
50:01
monroe
50:02
uh bringing bring him up again so he
50:04
found out his spirit god was actually
50:05
him
50:06
you know his his future self he would go
50:08
out and have a spur god and meet him all
50:10
the time
50:11
uh sometimes again
50:14
because one of your experiences you you
50:16
said that um
50:17
one occasion you sort of woke up and
50:20
there was three beans in the room and
50:22
they were sending new packets of
50:23
information
50:25
that you could recall that’s right so
50:28
so they are these entities are here to
50:31
help us then
50:33
well simplification i mean
50:36
i would say so i mean i i would i would
50:39
my
50:40
experience is that there’s beings who
50:42
try to scare you
50:44
uh there’s beings who try to befriend
50:46
you there’s beings will try to teach you
50:48
i don’t think that there’s any kind of
50:51
um
50:52
monopoly on goodness in any other realms
50:54
i think i think that
50:56
uh just like how you have a plethora of
50:58
types of beings on earth
51:00
you’ll you’ll find that there’s i mean
51:03
there was a period of time
51:04
when i used to go to this what we might
51:07
call the demonic realm
51:08
and what we might call demons were there
51:11
so
51:11
you know i don’t think it’s necessary to
51:13
say that anytime you meet an individual
51:15
they’re trying to help you
51:16
um but but i would also uh qualify that
51:19
by saying
51:21
by repeating that they’re like us so if
51:23
something is trying to harm you i mean
51:25
beat it up and it’ll leave you alone um
51:28
but you know i i would say that
51:31
sorry i haven’t got ultimate power over
51:33
this then not in my experience no i mean
51:35
that seems to be a common
51:37
i would say uh refrain that i’ve seen
51:40
and and sometimes some people have these
51:42
big rituals of protection and stuff like
51:44
that
51:45
i’ll just punch them in the face and
51:47
then they go away
51:50
if that goes onto the 64 000 question
51:53
is it safe or basically is it dangerous
51:55
because
51:56
um i’ve been on websites before there
51:59
was a guy called
52:00
bob something and he was um someone that
52:03
i sort of
52:04
latched on to on youtube i followed all
52:07
of his videos basically it was to
52:08
develop himself spiritually
52:10
one of his videos was like a big warning
52:13
don’t astral project
52:14
it’s dangerous you don’t know what
52:16
you’re doing
52:18
is he right i mean i i could say i can’t
52:23
really answer that question fully
52:24
because
52:25
i can’t really see i know everything
52:26
that could possibly happen like i can
52:28
let you know it hasn’t harmed me
52:31
um i could let you know that uh uh
52:34
uh if it can if it was like some sort of
52:38
deadly um threat to your life we were
52:41
all in trouble
52:42
because in my experience and observation
52:44
we go out of body every single night
52:46
right every time you hit the delta state
52:48
there’s a disconnect
52:49
so that would tell me if there was
52:51
really some kind of
52:52
beings out there that was so powerful
52:55
uh that that we could not defend
52:57
ourselves at all and really wanted their
52:58
home or stick at his wait till we go to
52:59
sleep and just kill everybody
53:01
so i think that that idea sort of
53:04
overwrought
53:05
and uh just just just recognize your own
53:08
power
53:09
and and just not be afraid like for
53:11
instance
53:12
there was a period of time when i
53:13
finally got tired of fighting these
53:14
beings so there was a period of time
53:15
when i
53:16
it was fun to me i would like literally
53:18
consciously go to those realms where
53:19
there was like negative beings wanting
53:20
to hurt you and i would just fight them
53:22
and it would just fun to me
53:23
but then what i realized i kind of got
53:25
bored of doing that and i would just fly
53:27
up
53:27
and i would just and as i flew up what i
53:30
found was the
53:31
the frequency of the the quality of the
53:33
realm would change
53:35
and eventually i would go to a finer
53:36
realm where they couldn’t even follow me
53:38
so yeah and my experience it’s not
53:41
really a big deal
53:43
but again i can’t really say i know
53:45
every single ins and out of the
53:46
experience maybe there’s some kind of
53:47
beings i don’t know about
53:49
um but i would just not discount the
53:51
fact that you have as many
53:52
as as much power as they do and just
53:55
just work out a way to
53:56
to to like with freddie i learned that i
53:59
could use my imagination
54:01
and i was able to contra things to to to
54:04
to put some distance between me and him
54:06
and he eventually left me alone i
54:07
stopped having that dream
54:09
and then eventually i got to the point
54:10
like you mentioned i was able to make a
54:11
sword and then i was able to just use my
54:13
fist and then i was able to just fly
54:14
away
54:15
and then i just i have other things i
54:17
could be doing with my time so
54:19
i if you do have something that’s
54:20
affecting you i would just say apply
54:22
your creative thinking to it and just
54:24
find a solution and i’m confident
54:25
that you could overcome it yeah it
54:27
reminds me a bit about
54:29
that it reminds me similar to the matrix
54:32
when
54:33
um neo goes into certain rooms and he
54:35
learns karate and
54:37
had a helicopter and all that just by
54:39
tapping it in you know
54:41
it reminds me of that and then all of a
54:42
sudden he can do all these amazing
54:44
things and
54:44
he had to actually believe it and
54:46
actually manifest it
54:48
and then it happened but um yeah one
54:51
thing i wanted to
54:52
talk about was um one thing i’ve been
54:54
interested in
54:55
last couple of years was remote viewing
54:58
now
54:59
i understand with remote viewing they
55:01
are operating
55:02
in the beta which is what you know we
55:04
are in now
55:06
as we’re talking and they operate in
55:09
theater as well
55:10
is that right yes yes so my
55:12
understanding
55:13
i’m sorry go ahead how can they do that
55:16
um
55:17
well well one way to to look at it is we
55:21
do that all the time
55:22
like um you know in my in my uh
55:25
investigations in the brain wave states
55:27
even though
55:28
we can predominantly be in this or that
55:31
state
55:32
at no particular time are we or i guess
55:35
i could say rarely
55:36
are we ever in only one state like for
55:38
instance robert monroe and his
55:39
binaural technology they they’ve been
55:41
able to put people pretty much in a
55:43
uniform brainwave state but
55:44
that was something imposing upon the
55:46
brain but normally
55:48
you’re there there’s always a mixture of
55:50
all the states it’s just that at any
55:51
given time
55:53
one or other is more dominant so
55:56
in my experience you can train yourself
55:58
to
55:59
uh simply be conscious across multiple
56:02
states
56:03
um tom campbell is one that he calls
56:05
this
56:06
uh parallel processing so he was one he
56:08
was one of the
56:10
people who was in my role as explorer
56:12
team which was
56:13
part of where i got my idea from the
56:14
research studies and building a group
56:16
and tom campbell that’s right he wrote
56:19
this book called
56:20
um the big toe he’s basically trying to
56:23
link the autobody experience and the
56:25
dimensions we experienced to the theory
56:26
of everything to try to link
56:28
quantum mechanics with with newtonian
56:30
gravity and things like that
56:32
but what he did was and with all of the
56:34
people in that in that
56:35
experience experiment did monroe
56:38
would put them in a certain chamber and
56:41
it would be a microphone
56:42
let’s say hanging from the ceiling and
56:45
amidst their outer body experience they
56:47
would dictate into the microphone
56:49
while they’re having the experience
56:51
which means they will be reading some
56:53
beta controlling their physical body
56:55
and some delta or autobody experience
56:58
but they have to train to learn how to
57:00
do that so
57:01
when you’re talking about a remote
57:02
viewer what my experience would say is
57:04
they’re in the theater range because
57:05
they’re getting that visual data
57:07
and also in a beta range because they’re
57:09
standing there and they’re
57:11
saying and communicating what they’re
57:13
doing yeah they’re drawing on the board
57:15
so that’s that’s what that interplay is
57:16
so i would call that parallel processing
57:19
um so or or at least i call it expansion
57:21
but thomas campbell
57:22
will call it parallel processing so you
57:25
could you could train yourself to where
57:27
you could francis be in a deep alter
57:28
state and still physically walk around
57:31
uh for example so those things it’s just
57:33
a matter of training
57:35
well she wants to talk about the next
57:38
thing that i was gonna talk about was
57:39
the
57:40
extra terrestrials you wanted to talk
57:41
about that didn’t you yes yeah
57:43
because it’s something that is quite um
57:45
apt at the moment obviously with our um
57:47
our show and we’ve been doing a quite a
57:49
lot on you know ufology and everything
57:51
and i’ve sort of
57:52
read your chats i’m up just gone past
57:54
your chapter on
57:55
engaging extraterrestrials and um you
57:58
touched on
57:59
the name was it anacost is it how you
58:02
say it
58:02
okay i cannot that was a
58:05
a friend that you met an
58:07
extraterrestrial that you met when you
58:08
was at
58:09
um actual projecting and he sort of
58:12
he he said to you say from your book
58:15
that he was like a father figure to you
58:17
or something was it like that right
58:19
that’s right according to according to
58:20
that being in a different lifetime he
58:22
was my father
58:23
that is correct did and we’re not when i
58:27
sort of touch on that does that
58:28
when you say that’s your father do you
58:30
feel that it’s sort of a
58:32
another life that you’ve lived or that’s
58:34
right
58:35
my experience is we live more than one
58:37
lifetime
58:39
and uh oftentimes the the
58:42
uh people we interact with now we’ve
58:44
interacted
58:45
with in different lifetimes like it’s
58:47
not usually not a coincidence that the
58:49
you know siblings and parents and and so
58:52
forth that we have now that we have
58:54
uh but there’s also instances where we
58:56
have lifetimes in different different
58:58
civilizations like in different
58:59
different planets or different uh races
59:02
entirely
59:03
and uh basically his uh his contention
59:05
was that
59:06
in one of my lifetimes on a different
59:08
planet he was my father
59:09
so and do do you believe that
59:14
is it a belief that you are here from
59:17
another planet now
59:18
i don’t mean that in sort of that sort
59:20
of contention but
59:22
i don’t think there’s anything special
59:23
in that way like you know
59:25
when you when you when you talk to
59:27
people like for instance darylanka
59:29
like he uh is a channel for the s asani
59:32
or
59:32
like uh uh lissa royal who’s a channel
59:35
for like the pleiadians and
59:37
uh there’s a few channelers who are who
59:39
i
59:40
see as having valid information uh but
59:43
they all say that we all have those
59:44
connections you know
59:45
you know earth is not like
59:49
the only um planet that ever had human
59:52
life or any kind of life
59:53
so the idea is that we’ve all had had
59:55
lives
59:56
in other civilizations and it’s not like
59:58
i’m anything special or anything it’s
59:59
just
60:00
i happen to you know uh during that
60:02
period of time like the reason why i
60:03
travel far has so many different
60:04
different
60:05
types of things in it like i mentioned
60:07
in the channeling and telepathy and
60:09
telekinesis because i experiment with
60:11
with all those things
60:12
and i’m at the time i was just
60:14
experimenting with channeling to see hey
60:15
i wonder this
60:16
if i could do this or this thing is real
60:18
or whatever and that’s just one of the
60:20
beings that
60:20
that i happen to get in contact with so
60:22
i don’t think it’s because i’m anything
60:24
special i’m like hear from some alien
60:25
race or something i think
60:27
you know i think if anybody had any went
60:29
into like deep meditation and started to
60:31
to try to access different lives they
60:34
will become aware that they had
60:35
lifetimes that was in different
60:36
societies or things like that you know
60:39
and i sort of also want to sort of draw
60:41
you to your first experience
60:43
um with sort of when you first saw a ufo
60:48
or um and the et craft where you lost an
60:52
hour and a half of time that
60:53
surprised you um
60:56
do you do you believe that you got
60:58
abducted by an alien there
61:01
well or did you just or just couldn’t
61:03
remember what went on
61:04
between that gap of the hour and a half
61:06
both both
61:07
i have vague memories of some kind of
61:10
interaction during that period of time
61:11
but it’s like
61:12
like very very brief and vague um
61:15
so i would say my belief like it’s fair
61:17
to say a belief is that i had
61:19
interaction during that period of time
61:21
um
61:22
and i think it requires a lot more study
61:25
and
61:25
and research um but yes my experience is
61:28
that i saw a craft i had interaction and
61:31
an hour and a half went by that i don’t
61:33
really know what happened during that
61:34
hour and a half uh fully
61:36
um do you believe that
61:40
they wiped your memory or it was just a
61:43
con
61:43
you know you say some when you at astral
61:46
projects you don’t remember it do you
61:48
think that was the case
61:49
very good question i think that’s what
61:50
it is um when
61:52
when we uh so going back to our average
61:56
experience
61:56
my my research and my experience and and
61:59
teaching people
62:00
tells me that everybody regularly have
62:03
autobot experiences they just don’t
62:04
remember it we also know at least i know
62:07
from
62:07
interacting with people a lot of people
62:09
don’t remember their dreams
62:11
but i found that when people start to be
62:13
able to consciously enter altered states
62:15
they start to be able to remember their
62:17
dreams why
62:18
my hypothesis is that i have this idea
62:21
called the awareness threshold
62:23
and i learned this from my my friend
62:25
this idea
62:26
who i had that validation experience
62:28
with so basically what happens is we
62:30
have
62:31
we all go to the through the states
62:33
every day but
62:34
we have a threshold where we’ve trained
62:36
ourselves or haven’t trained ourselves
62:38
to maintain our awareness
62:40
so for instance the average person they
62:42
go to lay down they’re in beta maybe
62:44
alpha
62:45
and let’s say they hit deep alpha and
62:47
they don’t remember anything else right
62:50
but then you can train and then you can
62:51
start to hit deep alpha
62:53
and you’re aware and then eventually
62:54
theta where you start to get imagery
62:56
when you’re aware
62:57
there may be deep data and you start to
62:58
be able to remote view and so on and so
63:00
forth so what happened is
63:03
i went into an awkward state but i
63:05
stated at the time
63:06
i was not able to bring that memory back
63:09
um
63:10
so uh according to my reading
63:13
you know i would say the reason why the
63:16
obe chapter is only one chapter like
63:18
the vast majority of my experience will
63:20
be in out of body stuff and have
63:22
you could say i dabbled in et stuff i
63:23
might consider myself an expert but i
63:25
have some experience
63:27
but my reading tells me that the et’s
63:29
operate
63:30
operate on these altered states like our
63:32
normal
63:33
base state is beta but their normal base
63:36
state
63:37
is alpha theta so any kind of
63:40
interactions you have will sort of
63:41
force you to switch states in a sense
63:44
that if you have
63:45
a an object that is really hot and you
63:48
put it next to an object that is really
63:50
cold
63:50
naturally they will start to to equalize
63:53
their temperatures just in this physics
63:55
so when we’re in the presence of some
63:58
being in us in a very deep altered state
64:00
uh that’s so strong like that it can
64:02
start to influence us and basically we
64:04
hit an altar state
64:05
and if we’re not trained at entering
64:07
those altar states and bringing back
64:08
that memory we just don’t remember
64:10
as possible there might be beings that
64:12
white memory and i’ve
64:13
of course read things like that as well
64:14
when you talk about abduction phenomena
64:16
and things
64:17
uh but in my i can’t really say that
64:19
with my experiences i don’t really
64:20
remember
64:21
but i blame it more on just i wasn’t
64:23
training enough at that time to really
64:24
really remember what happened i also
64:28
sorry joe he’s going to say it’s all
64:30
about being able to control
64:33
your brainwave activity to get into
64:35
these different states
64:37
um because i’ve actually tried one of
64:39
the exercises on the concentration
64:42
and what happened with me there was um
64:45
something that happened to me
64:47
when i was um well as long as as far
64:50
back as i can remember perhaps when i
64:52
was six
64:53
five six or seven and what used to
64:55
happen i always used to get these green
64:57
and yellow blobs in my vision
65:01
um now this happened normally when i was
65:04
relaxed
65:05
and looking back and that sounds crazy
65:08
but the most predominant time it
65:10
happened was when i went to the cinema
65:12
with my family and at the cinema i’m
65:15
watching the film
65:16
and taking it in but at the same time
65:18
i’m sort of relaxed back
65:21
sort of chilled out and these yellow and
65:25
green blobs used to
65:26
appear and it used to appear so vividly
65:29
that it used to interfere interfere with
65:31
me watching the film
65:33
and this happened for so many years i
65:35
used to tell my mum about it
65:37
and she just used to sort of brush me
65:39
aside you know it’s your imagination
65:41
it’s
65:42
you know little blood vessel personal
65:44
way i’m i’m not talking about these
65:45
little
65:45
you know the blood vessel things that
65:47
most people see in their eyes in the
65:49
daylight i’m talking about
65:50
you’re in a dark cinema or in a dark
65:52
bedroom and i’ve got these green
65:54
yellow blobs and they get so strong
65:58
and sometimes i feel that i can make
65:59
them stronger it’s really weird
66:01
and when i’ve done your concentration
66:03
exercises in the book
66:05
um they got even stronger still
66:09
and then i went on in i think it was
66:11
either the same evening or the evening
66:13
before that
66:14
after that and i tried this
66:17
concentration
66:18
exercise laying in bed totally you know
66:20
relax with me arms down the side of the
66:22
body i think i told you russ about it so
66:26
i told
66:26
um simon my friend about this and
66:30
and this this visual stuff was getting
66:33
so
66:34
incredible it filled up the whole of my
66:36
visual
66:38
thing i was in bed and i just couldn’t i
66:40
couldn’t make i was just amazed by it
66:42
it sort of made me think that that’s
66:44
what the green and yellow blobs were
66:45
that i was getting as
66:47
as a child which you know they used to
66:49
plague me i used to think there was
66:50
something wrong with me
66:53
well i mean it could definitely be an
66:54
altered state i mean once you start
66:55
getting into the
66:57
low alpha high data you start getting
67:00
some good visual phenomena a common one
67:02
for me would be sort of this yellowers
67:03
like light
67:04
and blobs of light so that definitely
67:06
could be an altar state phenomenon
67:07
i mean i wouldn’t necessarily discount
67:10
uh a physical phenomenon because i mean
67:12
we we
67:12
we do like going back to that uh
67:15
uh interplay between the different
67:17
levels i mean we we can have things
67:19
happening with our brain that causes us
67:21
to experience
67:22
different things uh we could also have
67:24
things where we go on to alter states
67:26
and you can have an imagery that’s so
67:29
clear
67:30
that it’s more clear than looking with
67:32
your physical eyes i mean especially
67:34
even
67:34
out of body state i’ve heard out-of-body
67:36
experiences that yeah i mean it’s
67:38
it’s i mean it’s it’s it i can’t even
67:40
communicate how clear
67:42
perception can be i mean how absolutely
67:44
razor sharp and clear
67:46
perception and awareness can be so i
67:49
would definitely say keep testing it
67:52
it’s kind of sort of intro i suppose
67:53
it’s because it’s different because with
67:56
the physical it’s about your lens moving
67:58
you know stretching
67:59
and contracting and adjusting to
68:02
near and far whereas in the non-physical
68:05
there probably isn’t that process
68:07
everything’s in focus
68:09
could it be that there’s there’s no sort
68:11
of change in depth of field everything
68:13
is in focus
68:13
will be over there or all right here
68:16
that’s the way i
68:17
logically see it i can’t say i’ve i’ve
68:20
necessarily investigated the method of
68:22
perception extensively
68:24
but in my experience the hypothesis i’ve
68:27
come to is that the mechanism
68:29
of perception and ultra states or in
68:30
outer body states
68:32
is the same sort of mechanism of
68:33
perception that we experience when we
68:35
imagine
68:36
and visualize um and and which is which
68:40
is one of the reasons why
68:42
uh like people who practice who are
68:43
getting into telepathy and channeling
68:45
they’ll see that the information coming
68:47
through oftentimes
68:49
feels like their own thought because
68:51
it’s that same mechanism that we use to
68:53
imagine or have our own inner thoughts
68:55
so
68:55
that’s what i think is going on is a
68:57
mechanism and you know like
68:59
there’s uh ideas of it relating to
69:02
chakras and
69:02
the third eye chakra may relate i can’t
69:04
necessarily say i’m an expert
69:06
on chakras but it does seem to me that
69:08
that same mechanism
69:10
is related to out-of-body perception as
69:12
well as alter-state perception when
69:14
you’re having deep
69:14
meditation like what you could have
69:16
experienced in the movie theater
69:18
when you were doing a concentration
69:19
exercise and um
69:21
what i would say is keep on practicing
69:23
and experimenting and what will happen
69:24
is you start to mash your own base of
69:26
experiences
69:27
you’ll be able to better ascertain what
69:29
what what is character garage where
69:31
um it’s it’s the exercises are amazing
69:34
and
69:34
and it was um it was a revelation for me
69:37
when i started to
69:39
see that there was a correlation between
69:42
the visual
69:42
things that you see and the actual um
69:46
different uh brainwave activity states
69:48
you know alpha theta delta
69:51
and gamma as well if it’s higher so
69:54
that was a revelation from me because
69:56
then it made me think you know what
69:58
that that’s good because it actually
69:59
gives you an indication doesn’t it like
70:02
what you actually see
70:03
that’s right that’s right that’s the
70:05
basis behind the neural feedback you can
70:07
monitor your brain waves and
70:09
uh it’ll tell like if somebody’s
70:11
monitoring a person brain waves they can
70:13
tell you if you’re awake they can tell
70:14
you if you’re asleep they can tell you
70:15
if you’re in rem sleep
70:17
so i basically use that as a sort of
70:19
barometer to
70:20
to to let me know okay i’m in i’m in
70:22
deep i mean light data now i’m seeing as
70:24
light imagery
70:25
well i’m in deep data now i’m seeing
70:26
some strong imagery oh i’m i’m
70:28
immersed in the imagery i mean i mean at
70:30
least like delta i can try to get out of
70:32
body now so it’s a very
70:34
i i found to be a very consistent
70:36
measuring rod of how deep you are in the
70:38
states and
70:39
and it could be very effective in
70:40
helping you to to master reaching these
70:42
alter steps
70:44
that’s why i loved it when i read that
70:46
part of the book because to know that
70:48
there’s an actual barometer
70:49
you know a measuring stick to see where
70:51
you are
70:52
that is that’s amazing because it gives
70:54
you feedback that’s right
70:58
and before i read your book it felt to
71:00
me it was like
71:02
um a bit of a poke in the dark you know
71:04
to
71:05
where you are sorry russ was waving
71:08
yeah so i’m just going to go back to
71:10
sort of the um
71:12
the the et communication part of it dale
71:14
is that all right
71:15
certainly um because over the sort of
71:18
last couple of
71:19
sort of after the last couple of weeks
71:21
that we’ve actually sort of
71:23
quite delved deep into the the et
71:25
communication and
71:27
we’ve got an avid listener that also
71:28
joins us and he’s named simon
71:31
and a few weeks ago we went out well
71:33
before christmas it was actually
71:35
we did a sort of outside broadcast of
71:38
trying to communicate with
71:39
extraterrestrials
71:41
and there’s something that come across
71:42
your in your book that really sort of
71:44
stuck out to me
71:46
is when you first channeled you sounded
71:48
like
71:49
you you put it as it was a bunch of
71:51
garbage that come through
71:53
now we did a an
71:56
experiment but uh simon believed he was
72:00
channeling a an an extraterrestrial at
72:03
the time
72:04
and it come across that he was he said
72:06
he felt drunk
72:07
and what he was trying to say to me and
72:10
joe
72:11
was it was it was he was couldn’t get
72:13
his words out
72:15
so i’m quite sort of drawn to sort of i
72:17
just want to sort of pick your brains
72:18
around that sort of you know that sort
72:21
of experience
72:22
you had and how you sort of got over
72:23
that just so simon’s listening
72:25
sort of how he can sort of you know sort
72:27
of learn that sort of culture to it
72:30
it helped me with this practice and
72:31
training you know
72:33
i think the more that we think of these
72:35
experiences not as necessarily
72:38
otherworldly but just skills and
72:41
abilities that are common to a human
72:43
being that we’re not so practicing the
72:44
better we will be
72:45
and that’s all they did was practice
72:47
because every day i would practice
72:49
and i got better and better and better
72:51
and so eventually i was able to it was
72:53
just a very
72:53
free flow of information um another
72:56
thing i noticed was that
72:58
um and i didn’t even i wasn’t even aware
73:00
necessarily that at least i haven’t read
73:01
it i
73:02
i don’t think anywhere that chakras are
73:04
so involved but i noticed when
73:05
when at a certain point my my chakra
73:08
started fluttering
73:09
when he would communicate um so i would
73:11
say if he’s having difficulties work on
73:13
do some energy work that might help as
73:14
well
73:15
but the main thing is just practicing
73:17
just like just like learning the violin
73:18
and you practice every day
73:20
and you know the first day you pick it
73:22
up is going to sound crazy
73:24
and you’re going to be hitting the other
73:25
string and i’m talking about myself by
73:27
the way
73:27
and the notes are kind of crazy sounding
73:29
funny but
73:30
every day you practice you get better at
73:33
hitting the proper notes you’re not
73:34
hitting on the string and the note is
73:35
coming through more clearly that’s all
73:37
it is so just practice
73:38
also practice the basic exercises so the
73:41
exercise those basic exercises and
73:43
travel four are there for a reason
73:45
so a lot of reason people fail is
73:46
because they don’t necessarily have the
73:48
foundation
73:50
uh to succeed so so similar to any other
73:53
endeavor
73:53
right even even you like sports right
73:56
people don’t just
73:57
uh uh go go to the basketball court and
74:00
then
74:00
play you know fight for the for the
74:03
tournament they don’t
74:04
you know the football team doesn’t just
74:06
jump on the field and
74:07
and play in the super bowl right they
74:09
spend weeks and months doing drills and
74:11
throwing the ball
74:12
back and forth so you got to practice
74:14
concentration you got to practice
74:15
meditation you got to you got to develop
74:17
these skills these basic skills and
74:19
abilities
74:20
so that for instance if you’re if you’re
74:21
trying to get a message and you can’t
74:23
focus
74:24
then your mind could be wandering and
74:25
you could be thinking about this or
74:26
picking up that or even picking up a a
74:29
a a aberrant message it’s likely you
74:32
have a radio and you’re trying to pick
74:33
up something from a certain channel
74:35
and you’re not quite on that channel and
74:37
you’re picking up static or you’re
74:38
picking up something else from another
74:40
channel
74:40
you have to focus on that channel so you
74:42
got to practice concentration
74:44
and develop your ability to focus on one
74:46
thing at a time
74:47
um practice relaxation so you’re not
74:49
tense so you’re not you’re not wasting
74:51
energy with tension
74:52
and and or or taking your focus away
74:56
so you know so out to to wrap it up i’ll
74:59
say practice basic exercises
75:01
develop your basic skills practice so
75:03
you can develop the ability
75:05
and and and and discontinue seeing it as
75:07
something
75:08
necessarily esoteric or paranormal but
75:11
something more like this is a
75:12
an ability that’s not normally practiced
75:15
but that we can develop
75:16
is that it’s a natural thing that we
75:18
should be able to keep
75:20
the the the strange thing that you
75:22
mentioned there was you know when you
75:24
said
75:25
you felt like your chakras fluttering
75:28
well before that
75:29
before that evening i don’t know if you
75:30
remember joe that
75:32
we all felt uh we all put something
75:34
about a chakra didn’t we
75:35
in the group chat when we were before he
75:37
was meeting
75:38
do you remember that no i can’t no we
75:41
was you was talking about solar plexus
75:43
i was talking about crown chakra and it
75:46
was you know it was all it was
75:47
it was something you because i said you
75:49
know it doesn’t matter which flutters it
75:51
was just
75:52
it was and that was just quite very apt
75:54
there when you said that it’s like
75:55
well that’s quite he’s sort of a very
75:58
poignant point to me do you know what i
75:59
mean that was that was
76:00
that sort of got me thinking that i was
76:02
there awesome
76:04
awesome yeah i mean energy definitely
76:06
seems to be a important part of it
76:08
um because i didn’t i didn’t necessarily
76:10
intend to involve my chakras i just
76:12
noticed that and you mentioned solar
76:13
plexus
76:14
if i recall that’s where it started with
76:16
my solar plexus chakra
76:18
and as i as i practiced more and more it
76:20
started going up and up and then
76:21
eventually was my throat shocker that
76:22
was vibrating
76:24
um so you know energy and energy work
76:27
definitely definitely seems to play a
76:28
part so
76:29
when you felt that throat chakra sort of
76:32
vibrating in that extraterrestrial
76:35
contact does that did that felt like
76:37
that the communication was more fluent
76:40
well um i i can’t necessarily say that
76:44
the fluttering
76:46
uh necessarily help the fluidity it
76:48
could have been even an effect of my
76:49
greater focus
76:51
but i just know that as the information
76:53
was coming through i could just feel it
76:55
you know there was not a sound but if i
76:57
was to put a sound to it
77:00
like just fluttering and i got to feel
77:02
this in this this
77:03
activity almost like um
77:07
like a drum vibrating like a drum
77:10
vibrating
77:10
almost i guess you can say and as the
77:13
information was coming through with this
77:14
vibrate
77:15
almost like the the information was had
77:16
a certain frequency that was going
77:18
through it
77:18
um i can’t necessarily say i
77:20
investigated exactly how the shocker
77:22
was involved i just it was just a point
77:25
observation to me at the time just like
77:27
you were saying as well i was like wow
77:28
i’m noticing i’m noticing this going on
77:30
here i didn’t
77:31
you know i didn’t notice that before and
77:33
and it was it was becoming stronger as i
77:34
got stronger at the practice
77:37
yeah that’s such a fantastic book it
77:39
covers everything doesn’t it
77:41
it surprised me that i thought it was
77:43
just going to be
77:44
um you know i knew it would be some of
77:47
your
77:47
first hand accounts but i didn’t expect
77:49
it to go into the detail of
77:52
um obviously practicing i knew as well
77:54
but just
77:56
yeah like you said practicing and not
77:57
and sort of energy work
78:00
it covers everything um it’s a fantastic
78:02
book
78:03
and it’s great that you put it out there
78:04
so so reasonable
78:06
um just to reiterate to the listeners
78:09
that
78:10
daryl’s websites are nextdensity.org
78:14
which is his research website um that’s
78:17
what i’ll be going on
78:18
soon to have a look at that because i
78:19
haven’t looked to that yet properly
78:21
and his main website is daryl barry
78:24
jonas that’s daryl d
78:25
a double r y l e b
78:29
e double r y j r
78:32
dot com that’s daryl e
78:35
berry jr which is jr.com
78:39
that’s that’s his website and like i
78:41
said the travel file
78:43
is only a fiver it’s on amazon um it’s a
78:46
fantastic book he’s got
78:47
um schematic drawings in their flow
78:49
charts
78:51
all of his accounts or most of his
78:52
accounts really interesting book you
78:54
must buy it’s fantastic
78:56
russ um i’m absolutely
78:59
listening to you literally daryl and joe
79:02
talking for the last sort of
79:04
hour and fifth hour and sort of 25
79:07
minutes has been
79:09
amazing it really has been it’s opened
79:11
up my
79:13
my eyes to a different level and
79:17
it really has it’s something that i
79:20
think i really want to experience
79:22
say like when you meet people when that
79:23
is it’s
79:25
it’s going to open up a whole new
79:26
experience for myself because it’s
79:28
something that i definitely want to try
79:29
and practice
79:30
awesome awesome i hope you’re doing more
79:33
people doing
79:34
i mean imagine a future where where is
79:37
common
79:38
is even more common than the telephone
79:40
yeah um you know i mean
79:41
that’s the future i think we can have
79:43
and i think
79:45
if everybody can have this experience
79:47
and recognize that we’re the same
79:48
like like you know i mean you could look
79:51
how you look when you’re out of body but
79:52
when you when you become consciousness
79:54
there’s no black consciousness or white
79:55
consciousness or muslim consciousness
79:58
just a field of consciousness and we’re
79:59
the same so i think it’ll
80:01
it’ll help change our perspective on
80:02
ourselves and help change the way we
80:04
treat each other so
80:05
but the way i see it though we survive
80:07
we’ll get there it’s just a matter of
80:09
when so i hope to push it forward a bit
80:11
it seems to be that motion in play at
80:14
the moment there’s a lot of this
80:16
um the motion of the consciousness and
80:18
things like that at the moment that is
80:20
is out there you know there’s a lot of
80:22
obviously contact with
80:24
extraterrestrials and certain programs
80:26
that are using consciousness and
80:27
meditation
80:29
way so there’s a lot of it all linked at
80:30
the moment and
80:32
i think this is a massive food for fault
80:34
and obviously you know i can’t thank you
80:36
enough for sending this book um you and
80:38
joe both surprised me with it so i thank
80:39
you for that
80:40
it was a great surprise through the door
80:42
and
80:44
literally guys if you need a book on
80:46
actual actual travel just
80:48
hit this book up it is absolutely
80:50
traveled far by
80:51
daley barry jr it’s fantastic and it is
80:54
definitely definitely as joe said well
80:56
worth it i think dale hit the now on the
80:58
head there
80:59
it it sort of gets rid of all that
81:01
muslim
81:02
race ethnicity it it just chucks it just
81:06
gets rid of all that
81:07
um judgmental muddy muddy water sort of
81:11
stuff
81:11
it’d be fantastic if you know more of us
81:13
could do this
81:15
and you know beyond this body that we
81:17
are there’s so much more
81:19
isn’t there that we don’t know about
81:22
well a lot of us don’t know about others
81:24
i think someone’s texting i think
81:27
simon again i will keep practicing so
81:29
he’s well yeah
81:33
but now i thank you so much daryl and
81:35
hopefully
81:36
in the near future you’ll be coming back
81:38
on the show because it’s been a really
81:39
really
81:40
there’s more questions that i know that
81:42
joe wants to ask but he’s got a list
81:44
as long as he’s armed sitting next to
81:45
him well i’ve got
81:47
i’ve always
81:51
obe but i know that in in an hour and a
81:53
half or two hours away we weren’t
81:54
we’re not even going to do that so i
81:55
just wanted to touch on a few obs and
81:58
some of the stuff that we you know we
82:00
could talk for ages but
82:01
yeah and hopefully
82:04
one of us or both of us can sort of give
82:07
some feedback on what happened to us
82:10
or something but no thank you ever so
82:13
much and
82:14
i know that um joe’s mentioned all your
82:16
websites and they think but is there
82:17
anything else you want to sort of
82:19
where people get in touch with you at
82:20
all daryl thanks for mentioning yes you
82:22
can you can go to the site
82:24
and if you want to join the next study
82:26
you could just sign up to the newsletter
82:27
i’ll
82:28
let everybody know when the next one
82:29
starts if you like guidance on your
82:30
progress and to join the ad to the
82:32
research and
82:33
hopefully we can build the team and and
82:35
start getting these experiments going
82:37
i think you’ve got one here that’s going
82:39
to join okay um i think i’m going to
82:41
i’m going to join put my name down for
82:43
that one because it’s something that i’d
82:44
really like to do
82:45
but just to recap the listeners and
82:47
ourselves will go on next
82:49
nextdensity.org and then you subscribe
82:51
yeah that’s right so if you go to
82:52
nextgen city.org
82:53
at the top there’s a link that says
82:55
courses and if you if you go to the
82:57
traveler program courses it’ll literally
82:59
break down
83:00
the different progression of courses
83:02
that are there
83:03
and at the bottom of the page you can
83:04
click the link and sign up to the
83:06
newsletter
83:07
and the next time i start the course i
83:08
plan on starting one later this year
83:10
i’ll send out the message saying we’ll
83:12
be getting started soon and everybody
83:14
who still wants to join can can join up
83:16
and
83:17
basically we uh i basically hold a
83:19
weekly
83:20
weekly class every sunday and give
83:21
coaching throughout the week we post
83:24
journals on the forums and
83:25
everybody has their own you know
83:27
personal form that they post their
83:29
journals to
83:30
and um and we just develop and progress
83:33
and um
83:34
you know that time only i believe it was
83:37
six percent of the people made it all
83:38
the way through because it’s
83:39
you know it is it is an effort i mean it
83:41
takes time it takes effort it’s not easy
83:44
um so uh you know i i believe uh
83:48
maybe people being aware of how few
83:50
people make it through maybe
83:51
maybe ten percent might make it through
83:53
but uh just like anything i mean if you
83:55
look at any type of type of endeavor i’m
83:57
pretty sure only a few people become pro
83:58
basketballers or a few people become
84:01
pro-violinists so in this in this
84:03
instance you’re becoming you’re becoming
84:05
a pro
84:06
in consciousness and all the states of
84:07
consciousness and meditation and you
84:09
have to become a pro in these things and
84:11
it’s not easy
84:12
um but but my observation is those who
84:15
apply themselves and stick to it
84:16
they they can have the experience so how
84:19
long how long does it go back these
84:20
subscribers you know
84:21
the ones the six percent have made it
84:25
again when you started doing this how
84:28
far does it go back have you been doing
84:30
this like a long time before that was
84:31
that was
84:32
that was completely from from last year
84:33
from 2020. so in 2020
84:36
um 31 people 31 people started at least
84:39
showed interest
84:40
31 people showed interest out of those
84:43
uh
84:44
31 people who showed interest eight
84:46
completed the basics course
84:48
so the fourth week is the end of the
84:51
basis course
84:52
and eight people made it to that point
84:54
out of those 31 people
84:56
and out of those eight people two made
84:59
it to the last lesson
85:01
um so that’s that’s that’s where the six
85:02
point four four five percent comes from
85:05
um so what i you know what i’m gonna do
85:07
is is short and
85:08
short in the course because uh all the
85:10
out-of-body experiences happen between
85:12
lesson four and lesson seven
85:14
so on lesson four there were three other
85:16
body experiences on lesson five there
85:18
was one lesson six there was one
85:20
and on lesson seven there was uh three
85:22
out of body experiences so
85:24
all that about experiences happen
85:27
between lesson one and lesson eight so
85:29
i’m gonna
85:29
i’m gonna uh refine the uh course and
85:32
make it eight lessons for the first
85:34
course
85:34
because that’s what most of the other
85:35
body experiences happen anyway and um
85:38
you know so every time i do a study i
85:40
refine it and i’ll compile the data
85:43
and this next course will be even better
85:44
than the last one and um eventually
85:46
what’s going to happen is when i become
85:47
a natural physicist
85:49
i’m going to see how how far i’ll get a
85:51
degree in psychology but
85:53
and and we’ll start doing these things
85:54
officially but basically we i’m laying
85:56
the groundwork right now
85:58
brilliant absolutely
86:01
yeah it’s absolutely brilliant yeah it’s
86:03
dedication that’s very cool yeah
86:06
and i will be i will be putting my name
86:08
forward
86:09
i will definitely be putting my name
86:10
forward daryl thank you
86:13
for coming on it’s been fantastic you
86:14
are absolutely brilliant um
86:17
thank you ever so much thank you karen
86:19
for um suggesting it
86:21
yeah 100 100 right guys i hope you
86:25
enjoyed this
86:26
the show of journey through the
86:28
unexplained with the wonderful wonderful
86:30
daryl e
86:31
berry junior from and it’s all i can say
86:34
to you guys is
86:34
get on to amazon go and buy his book
86:37
travel far
86:38
okay on astral projection it’s fantastic
86:41
and it’s all left for me to say now is
86:43
it’s it’s good night
86:44
from well i better just quickly do a
86:47
quick better night of all the shows next
86:49
week joe
86:50
that’s a stupid one so guys tomorrow
86:53
night you’ve got on you’ve got the
86:55
lovely philip solomon on his motown show
86:57
that does all the lovely
86:59
songs and all that you’ve got um i think
87:01
you’ve got
87:02
um was it holly’s walk on the wild side
87:05
on sundays
87:06
you’ve got my new show on monday nights
87:09
with simon called the egh
87:10
talk show we’ve got mary um
87:14
we’ve got spiritual surgery before that
87:16
uh weird tales on tuesday
87:18
uh the spiritual surgery on is it the
87:21
spiritual surgery now
87:23
with beth am i getting this wrong no no
87:26
no that’s on a wednesday wednesday yeah
87:29
and on thursdays you’ve got the lovely
87:31
phillip solomon before us
87:33
then it’s us again so it’s too many
87:35
shows now
87:36
i know yeah i think i’ve done pretty
87:38
well off the top of my head because my
87:39
page went down just as i clicked off
87:42
but thank you go go go for all followers
87:44
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87:45
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87:58
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88:01
and i am going to end it now and it’s
88:04
all that’s left me to say is
88:05
it’s good night from me that’s good
88:07
night from him and it’s good night from
88:09
daryl
88:10
good night y’all good night cheers daryl
88:13
thanks
89:59
you